Tuesday, July 22, 2008

Issues and Answers Re: OLA Devotion

In light of the recent storm of allegations being made against those who are claiming to be the "sole source" and "official" websites of the Our Lady of America devotion, OLTIV has spent countless hours doing fact-checking of claims being presented by both parties. We have even investigated bogus claims made by "Anonymous" comments on this blog.

After speaking with the Toledo Chancery and independent attorneys, our findings concur with the following letter sent by the gentlemen from the Indianapolis group who have been working diligently, at the behest of American Bishops, to clear up all the misconceptions and baseless assumptions being promoted by those in the Fostoria group.

It was our sincere hope and desire that somebody, ANYBODY, with the honesty and integrity to help shed light on the facts would avail themselves from the Fostoria supporters. So far, we have only received anonymous comments and threats from people claiming to be supporters of the Fostoria group. It is impossible to even consider that Sr. Millie would have ever condoned behavior, like that we have recently witnessed, coming out of "advocates" for Our Lady of America.

Please understand that this investigation and report is not designed to destroy anybody's personal faith in Our Lady of America. It is intended to shed light on an otherwise gray area that must be made clear (at the direction of Bishop Leonard Blair) before this devotion can be carried forward by the American Bishops as Our Lady asked. She said "Bring Me My children. Bring Me ALL of My children!" It is time for all of us to take responsibility for Her request. It is time for a public apostolate.


The following response was submitted by Kevin McCarthy and Al Langsenkamp in regards to certain claims made by the Fostoria supporters. Copies of the actual letters will be made available soon on this website.


Patricia Ann Fuller, without ever disclosing that she had been dismissed from the religious life, attended a meeting in The Vatican arranged by a private canon lawyer who has never worked directly as an attorney, employee or officer of The Roman Curia. He is properly identified as an "Advocate before the Roman Rota," a professional distinction which has nothing to do with the status of supposed religious in the Catholic Church. This is how such a private canon law advisor may describe himself. This is no different than an American secular lawyer who identifies himself as "admitted to practice before the Supreme Court of Ohio."

When the Rotal Advocate or the Ohio Lawyer sends out a document so identifying themselves this does not mean that the Rotal Advocate speaks as an official representative of the Tribunal of the Roman Rota or any other Vatican office any more than it means that the Ohio Lawyer speaks as a judge or other official of the Ohio Supreme Court. Patrica Fuller received a letter from such a legal advisor which mentioned his admission before the Roman Rota in the letterhead. That's it!

It is an obvious abuse and distortion to make any more out of the private letter of a private canon lawyer.

Likewise, Fuller, the "Anonymous" Accuser, and her other cohorts, so abuse and distort the significance of the Last Will and Testament of Sister Mildred Mary Neuzil executed 31 January A.D. 1994. As with all such wills, she passed only what she owned at death, in this case specific "items" of property; Fuller was her executor whose duties ended once the estate was closed in the Probate Court of Seneca
County, Ohio.

Fuller was never appointed a "guardian," and to use that specific legal term about Fuller's duties under the extremely short and simple will of Sister Mildred Mary
Neuzil is just a ball-faced lie. The $1,000,000.00 in bank stock which Patrica Fuller has owned never went through probate, and there is no evidence that the will of Sister Millie was ever properly approved under the "pious wills" provisions of the Catholic Church Code of Canon Law.

The abuse of each of these documents, the letterhead of the Rotal Advocate, and the Will of Sister Millie, each constitutes fraudulent distortion and exaggeration. Her
own private canon lawyer writes her a letter and she treats it as an official document of a Vatican Court which has no jurisdiction over questions of the religious life.

Sister Millie writes a less than two-page will which is never properly approved by the Catholic Church, and never even pretends to give Fuller any permanent say over anything, and she says it makes her "guardian" over the Our Lady of America devotion, superior even to her own Bishop.

No woman may call herself "Sister" after having been dismissed from formal religious life like Patricia Fuller.

Finally, sometimes lay people call themselves, "Sister," even though they have not taken formal vows, as with an association which is preliminary to forming a true religious order.

Fuller never got her association approved by the Bishop of Toledo, or any other proper authority.

Even when she went to The Vatican on August 31, 2006, and her Rotal Advocate introduced her as "Sister," she was kindly and repeatedly told that she must have the
approval of her local bishop. She never even attempted to contact him until after she joined with her cohorts in a criminal calumny program in late 2007.

This is a woman dismissed from a Poor Clares Convent years before she entered into the Precious Blood Cloister at New Riegel, Ohio.

This is a relatively uneducated woman who talked about founding a worldwide system
of religious women's convents with hundreds of millions of dollars from a mysterious Filipino woman.

Her cohorts are enablers, at best, and co-conspirators, at worse, and each of them has much for which to answer.

Kevin McCarthy
Al Langsenkamp

9 Comments:

At July 22, 2008 11:59 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At July 22, 2008 12:16 PM , Anonymous Gloria said...

Thanks to OLTIV for looking into all of these allegations.

Pray for the truth and for the Bishops to have the strength to finally fully acknowledge OLA.

 
At July 22, 2008 8:48 PM , Anonymous Thought I'd ask said...

You had me at $1,000,000.00!

Where did that money come from?

 
At July 22, 2008 9:57 PM , Anonymous Mir said...

When the Rotal Advocate or the Ohio Lawyer sends out a document so identifying themselves this does not mean that the Rotal Advocate speaks as an official representative of the Tribunal of the Roman Rota.

Why even make that statement when no one has claimed that he did.

Patricia Fuller received a letter from such a legal advisor which mentioned his admission before the Roman Rota in the letterhead. That's it!

And no "that's NOT it"!

The Advocate stated what was declared at the meeting and confirmed by the Undersecretary of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic life with documentation on file at that particular Dicastery.

The abuse of each of these documents, the letterhead of the Rotal Advocate,

To what "letterhead" do you refer? The one identified as the "law offices of" with the name of the Advocate? What is abusive about that?

No woman may call herself "Sister" after having been dismissed from formal religious life like Patricia Fuller.

First of all where are the procedural forms for formal dismissal with cause? Where is your evidence to allow you to use that term? Obviously sister would have to have been given those in order to appeal this if it occurred. Rather that is a term that you have been using and apparently gave to AB Burke without evidence. There is rather a documented written request for a "separation" of the cloistered section from the active section of the order. The letter you refer to by the Advocate clarifies that status of separation and the status now as "a private association of the faithful" in which she is free to use the title "sister" and wear a habit if so choosing to do so.

And since you refer to sister as not well educated, then why do you expect her to have any kind of knowledgeable grasp of legal terms in which to purposefully use them?


Fuller never got her association approved by the Bishop of Toledo, or any other proper authority.

A "private association" doesn't have to. And the Discastery is of the understanding that statutes are in the working stage for any future "public association". Those are what would come under the diocesan authority at some later time.

And after her 2006 meeting you state that "She never even attempted to contact him (bishop)". Again there was no requirement for her to do so in such a "private association".

You simply are woefully ignorant of your facts and those you toss about are disreputable in their usage. And you are the supposed "experts" here?

Of course this won't get published here. Sad. You seem to never wish the facts to interfere with your agenda. But it will get noticed otherwise.

 
At July 23, 2008 8:29 AM , Blogger pam j said...

mir said:
Of course this won't get published here. Sad. You seem to never wish the facts to interfere with your agenda. But it will get noticed otherwise.
But mir was published, because oltiv doesn't have a hidden agenda, and is trying to seek the truth in order to bring the devotion of Our Lady of America to "All My Children", and encourage the Bishops to fulfill Our Lady's requests for a statue in the Washington DC Basilica,
May we all unite in purity and peace.

"By Thy Holy and Immaculate Conception, O Mary, Deliver Us from Evil."

 
At July 23, 2008 8:58 AM , Anonymous Cathy Loomis said...

Looks like "Mir" is wrong.

As long as everyone is being honest here, I'd like to know where the money came from too!

Maybe "Mir" can answer that?

 
At July 23, 2008 3:20 PM , Anonymous I want to know 2 said...

yes Mir, where DID the money come from?

 
At July 23, 2008 3:45 PM , Anonymous Nony said...

Where does Mother Angelica's money come from - there were only 4 or 5 families responsible for building that huge shrine and the daily expenses of the physicle plant as well as support of personnel/nuns, etc.??? Were those families disclosed?

 
At July 23, 2008 7:51 PM , Anonymous Elizabeth H., Birmingham, AL said...

I know Mother Angelica and Patricia Fuller is NO Mother Angelica.

Where did the money come from?

Did she pay her taxes?

 

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